Turntable Advice - Music Hall MMF-2.3 or Pro-Ject Debut Carbon?

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Memo, Sep 28, 2018.

Which will perform better?

  1. Music Hall MMF-2.3

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  2. Pro-Ject Debut Carbon

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  3. U-Turn Special with all the upgrades

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  4. Hold out for Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC Espirit

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  1. Memo

    Memo New Member

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    Looking for a new turntable. Max is $500. I've heard good things from both turntables, so it really comes down to, which will be better in the long run.
    I also have the opportunity to wait a little longer and spend a little more. I was thinking the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC Espirit.

    Or should I just get the U-Turn Special with all the upgrades?
     
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    I have the project dc. I’ve upgraded to the acrylic mat but I wish I held out for the esprit to get the speed switching. I’ve read on the internet that the external speedbox works, but the manuals say they’re incompatible.
     
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    If you’re gojng for the Debut the upgrades on the Esprit SB are worth more than the difference in cost. Plus the DC can have a hum issue which isn’t there on the esprit SB!!

    For full disclosure I’ve had an Esprit SB since May 2013 and it’s a great little turntable!
     
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    From what I gather this cheaper SB works with the US 16V Debut Carbon DC but not the European one

    https://www.project-audio.com/en/product/speed-box-s/

    Music Direct retails it for $129

    https://www.musicdirect.com/equipment/pro-ject-speed-box-s

    This more expensive one works on both US and European tables

    https://www.project-audio.com/en/product/speed-box-ds/

    Turntable Lab sells it for $359 in US, can’t find a European link for it

    https://www.turntablelab.com/products/pro-ject-speed-box-ds-silver
     
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    displayname Well-Known Member

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    Look into the design differences of each, and decide which focuses and trade-offs are most important to you.

    When I was faced with this decision, I went U-Turn. Primary factors in that choice were the 9 inch arm and outstanding customer support.
     
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    Ageee with this. Although U-turn aren’t an option here, or anywhere in 2013 lol, I went with the pro-ject that I chose because of the carbon fibre arm and the included SB and acrylic platter. I love the SB in particular, don’t think I’d consider a table now that didn’t have one!
     
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    Are you committed to buying new? My Music Hall 5.3 will be for sale soon.
     
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    I have a 15V debut Carbon dc. I think all of the newer ones are 15V. Both of those are for 16V motors.

    https://www.project-audio.com/en/product/debut-carbon-dc/
     
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    Yeah, I think that's the way I probably would have gone if U-Turn wasn't an option. What's funny though is as much as I love the simplicity of a speedbox, when I upgraded and demoed 3 tables, I came home with the only one that didn't have a speedbox/button selection.
    @Memo - do this! ^^^^^^^^^
     
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    Haha yeah!! The mofi may be the only exception that I’d have to that rule too!! It would be a bugger though with the increasing number of 45RPM pressings of albums these days, I have quite a lot now at this stage!!
     
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    Yeah, I wish I figured it out before I bought it. The Debut Carbon dc fixed a motor problem, but the change in voltage makes the speed boxes incompatible. Otherwise I love the table. I saw the Uturn and got to test it. I wasn’t a fan of all the plastic. I’ve never needed customer service for my turntable. I’ve heard people are more loyal to auto brands when they need service, so it makes sense that it’s the same for turntables.

    Any of them are good options though!
     
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    Send me a message with information and price!
     
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    I like that the Uturn can have an upgraded Ortofon cart... but not a fan of the plastic as well. I would lean more towards the Music Hall MMF2.3 if it werent for the fact that I dont know much about their cart. A big bonus for the espirit is the ortofon cart and acrylic platter, but as aesthetics go, not a big fan of those feet.
     
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    Yeah, the feet are ugly. I don’t notice them because they sit on a black table. I upgraded to the Ortofon blue on my project turntable and it was worth the jump in price and super simple.
     
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    I would definitely upgrade to a better cartridge down the road, but looking to start in a good place where I wouldn't need to upgrade right away.
     
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    Yeah, I wouldn't either. I ran with the red for two years. If you can get an orbit with the blue right out of the gate, that would be cool.
     
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    Yeah the great thing with the red is that it shares a cartridge body with the blue so when it’s time for an upgrade it’s relatively inexpensive as you only need to change out the stylus. Makes a huge difference, is a bigger step up from the red than the price gap would suggest.

    To be honest I have the project in gloss white and I just don’t notice the feet. I think (not 100% though) they can be upgraded down the road to the project absorb it feet.
     
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    Yeah, that is why I mostly want the Ortofon Red for ease of upgrading.
     
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    I honestly was hesitant because changing the belt on the U-Turn wasn't hard, but it's absolutely one of that table's trade offs. However the MoFi table is much easier with the spring in the belt and the cutouts in the patter for the belt on each setting. I don't even think twice about it now.

    If Uturn offered a speed box, I would have purchased it. If MoFi offered one, I don't know that I'd really need it.
     
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